About Friggin' Time--White Only Scholarship

THE JEW (RaVeN) · Post by **THE JEW (RaVeN)** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:27 am

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/15 ... index.html

I've always found non-white scholarships, ironically, to be somewhat racist.

Tempus · Post by **Tempus** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:42 am

not somewhat... they are racist... and that idiot complaining in there as the article says, has a 5k schoolarship for minorities only and he's bitching about 250 dolars....
the other thing that bothers me is that there should be a reward for being straight i mean here in windsor there is something like 1000 dolars available to you if your gay.... what the frig is that? grr

Samurai · Post by **Samurai** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:04 pm

There is s school in the states that has an award for the best African American student. This year a white guy won it. He won because he is from South Africa, and everybody loves him (The students vote on who gets the award). Anyway, there were some black students who complained, saying that the students were being racist. HELLO! HE FULLY QUALIFIES AS AFRICAN AMERICAN! :roll:

Ghost [PX] · Post by **Ghost [PX]** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:42 pm

I agree that affirmative action plans arent always a good thing, and they have to be very carefully managed to prevent them being abused.

However, something like this just stinks of ignorance and intolerance. There are far better ways to protest something that you think is unfair. The scholarship itself isnt what bothers me, its the entrance essay. Having people write an essay about why they are "proud of your white heritage" just seems a little too close to a white power movement.

Steve, just because you have problems with gay people, does not mean the majority of people do. As a matter of fact, the majority of people see no problems with homosexuality. The scholarship that is given to gays seems silly to me, but I dont see it as wrong either.

I dont want to start a rant or a pro-gay/anti-gay argument so Im just going to leave it at that.

THE JEW (RaVeN) · Post by **THE JEW (RaVeN)** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:24 pm

How is being proud of my "white heritage" equal to the white power movement? Just because I'm proud of who am I doesn't make non-white people any less. That's like saying Black History month will lead to the Panther movement. Are the black heritage awards racist? It's a 2-way street here, people. White people aren't the only racists on the planet despite what everyone seems to think. Heck, who said racism is always a bad thing? I'm sure the black guy who gets told he has a huge d!ck is super offended. Stereo-types are still stereo-types. Pride doesn't necessarily lead to violence. I've always been told to remember who I am and where I come from. I don't deny who I am, how I was raised, or what I believe. I take a pride in who I was, who I am, and who I'll become.

The gay award, if there isn't an award given to heterosexuals, seems just as foolish to me. I'm not saying pro or anti anything. The way I understood things, we shouldn't discriminate based off of age, sex, religion, or sexual orientation. Many of these awards seem to.

Honestly, I don't see putting your money where your mouth is ignorant. These people saw a what they perceived as a problem and did something about it. Nobody got hurt, no crosses burned, and some person got cash.

Intolerance isn't always a bad thing. I don't tolerate people stepping all over me or my friends. I don't tolerate people slaughtering other people. Prevent the self-pu$$ification. Dare to take a stand on the issues you feel important.

Ghost [PX] · Post by **Ghost [PX]** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:44 pm

I didnt say that being proud of your white heritage was equivalent to the white power movement. I said it was it a little too close in my mind. I agree, pride in who you are isnt something wrong, but to protest an award based on black pride by telling other people to show their white pride can only lead to problems. Many people will see this, not as the protest that it is, but as a rallying point for racism. Maybe my view is a little extreme in this case, but things like this have happened in the past. Affirmative action plans have always been a point of contention, and frankly, I dont know whether they are or not. In some ways, yes they are unfair, but in others they arent.

As for you equating stereotypes with racism, thats completely wrong. While they are related, stereotype and racism are two very different things. Racism is the belief that your race defines your characteristics, whereas sterotypes are conventional or oversimplified images or opinions which arent neccesarily true. A stereotype can be racist, but racism isnt neccesarily stereotypical. The two dont always coincide, although they often have.

To suggest that racism isnt always bad is completely wrong. Whether or not a racist image is positive or negative, it still reflects ignorance. Now personally, I hate ignorance. If there is anything in the world that pisses me off more than ignorance, its stupidity, and that usually follows closely after.

I agree, the gay award seems foolish to me too, but I said that already. I agree, we shouldnt discriminate based off of age, sex, religion, or sexual orientation.

You're also right, intolerance isnt neccesarily a bad thing either, but its something that also has to be watched closely. Yes, standing up for what you believe is a good thing to do, to a point. But, its important to remember that not everyone shares your views, and unless they are trying to force their views onto yours you should let them have theirs. You might argue that the gay scholarship is infringing on your beliefs, but I dont really see how you can justify that. Its not taking away scholarships from you that were available before, its just another one added on for only gay people. Nothing has changed for you. The other fact to consider is that the people running the show have to uphold the beliefs of the institution they represent. You may not neccesarily agree with those beliefs, but you choose to go there, so deal with them. If you dont like them, go to another school.

Yes prevent self-pu$$ification and stand up for the issues that you believe in, but dont be stupid about it*.

*Please note, Im not saying you're being stupid here Steve, I have no problems with you're opinion towards said scholarship, Im merely making a general statement.

[PX] Nebuchadnezzar · Post by **[PX] Nebuchadnezzar** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:17 pm

I predict that in 10 years, it will be hardest to make it in the world as a strait white male. Funny how the world tends to invert itself every once in a while in an attempt to be fair.

Ghost [PX] · Post by **Ghost [PX]** » Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:36 pm

Interesting theory, but completely invalid. The world is still patriarchal and will remain so for quite some time.

Queen Zeus · Post by **Queen Zeus** » Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:17 pm

I don't see any problem with a scholarship for white students. There are scholarships for just Asian students, just Black students, just Jewish students, students of Middle Eastern decent, and even just foreign born students. Some scholarships get down to very specific qualifications like only students from a specific country.

Why not just white students? After all it is alright for just French students.

I can honestly say that I have not even heard of a scholarship for just gay students, but why not.

Besides these qualifications are just to limit the number of applicants.

My progam only accepts first year students with no universty or collage back ground.

Tempus · Post by **Tempus** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:30 am

first off paul, i wasnt saying there shouldnt be one... you misunderstood my intent based on a few things A) i did not explain my reasoning and B) from past conversations my views on gays are clear
my intent in stating that is this
it absolutely makes me sick to my stomache when people, especially minorities, bitch and complain about some somee thing that is given to a group that isnt their own... they cry for equality or so they claim but when we level the playing field (ie a white scholarship) all hell breaks loose and we are automatically racist
so whats my point?
all this friggin groups clammoring for equality should shut the hell up when it happens
as for the gay thing my point is as stated that if they are going to have one for gay people they should have one for straight people ... however this is seen as 'intolerant', 'prejudice' or fill in the appropriate word here based on your level of vocab :wink:

plain and simple if we cant complain because of affirmative action, or an all black scholarship the minorities that are complaining should have their lips stapled shut! end of story
if you want equality fine but equality for everyone not just people of your own credence

*note this rant was not directed at anyone or really in response to any one's opinion on this board i was merely clarifying earlier statements